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Jack Douglass's avatar

While I partially agree that treating veganism as a binary can have negative effects, I think your proposed solution -- lowering the standards vegans hold themselves to -- creates larger problems than it solves. The crux of your argument seems to be that losing some strict vegans is acceptable if a more welcoming, less perfectionist social environment encourages non-vegans to decrease their intake of animal products by enough to increase the total amount of animal suffering avoided. I understand the math you’re trying to do here. I’m just not convinced the tradeoff actually works!

For one, you literally mention that “someone who deliberately causes suffering may be more likely to go and cause further suffering in the future,” not realizing this squarely applies to 90% vegans. If someone who believes consuming animal products is wrong begins deliberately making exceptions, why would we expect those exceptions to remain neatly contained? Habits deteriorate pretty easily once people stop treating them as rules. Eating dairy once while traveling becomes eating dairy whenever traveling is inconvenient, which becomes eating dairy whenever being vegan is inconvenient. At some point, the occasional exception has just become someone’s normal diet.

I think this would also create a pretty serious cognitive dissonance problem. If people routinely do something they supposedly consider immoral, they either have to change their behavior or weaken the moral conviction making them feel guilty. Your proposal makes changing their behavior unnecessary, so I’d expect a lot of people to do the latter. “Eating animal products causes horrible and unnecessary suffering” slowly becomes “avoiding animal products is generally good when it’s convenient.” That may be a more psychologically comfortable belief, but it’s also a much weaker one! If anything, normalizing exceptions gives people a socially acceptable way to gradually stop caring without ever admitting that they’ve stopped caring.

This also weakens the social pressure that keeps people vegan in the first place. Vegans remind each another, both explicitly and implicitly, that consuming animal products is a serious moral failure. That expectation reinforces good habits and makes individual lapses harder to cognitively dissociate from. If basically everyone in the community starts making exceptions, people will feel guilty because they’re failing to live by their stated convictions, avoid conversations that remind them of that fact, and probably become less willing to do outreach. It’s probably harder to persuade someone that eating animal products is seriously wrong while explaining that you still do it frequently.

More importantly, why assume that maintaining veganism as a clear standard prevents non-vegans from moving toward it? People already go through intermediary stages like pescatarianism, vegetarianism, reducetarianism, etc. Nothing is stopping them! Someone can reduce their consumption of animal products without calling themselves vegan, and then become vegan if/when they’re willing to make the full commitment. We can obviously encourage and celebrate that reduction without pretending it satisfies the end goal.

Thus, I don’t really see what lowering the standard accomplishes. The people who want an intermediary path already have several, while existing vegans would be given explicit social permission to eat more animal products and gradually weaken their moral convictions. Unless you have strong evidence that the expectation of perfection is preventing a massive number of people from reducing their consumption at all, this doesn't seem like a good sentiment to propagate.

Zachary Segall's avatar

Good stuff! I'd rather have someone go from eating meat every meal to every other meal to someone go from once a week to full vegan, though obviously both would be best. Appreciating the gray nature of Veganism and morality is tricky to do.

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